{"id":415700,"date":"2021-12-08T16:02:16","date_gmt":"2021-12-08T21:02:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newmusicusa.wpengine.com\/?p=415700"},"modified":"2022-01-18T11:25:45","modified_gmt":"2022-01-18T16:25:45","slug":"matthew-aucoin-risking-generosity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/nmbx\/matthew-aucoin-risking-generosity\/","title":{"rendered":"Matthew Aucoin: Risking Generosity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" allow=\"autoplay\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?url=https%3A\/\/api.soundcloud.com\/tracks\/1174313506&#038;color=%23ff5500&#038;auto_play=false&#038;hide_related=false&#038;show_comments=true&#038;show_user=true&#038;show_reposts=false&#038;show_teaser=true\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: 10px; color: #cccccc;line-break: anywhere;word-break: normal;overflow: hidden;white-space: nowrap;text-overflow: ellipsis; font-family: Interstate,Lucida Grande,Lucida Sans Unicode,Lucida Sans,Garuda,Verdana,Tahoma,sans-serif;font-weight: 100;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/new-music-usa\" title=\"New Music USA\" target=\"_blank\" style=\"color: #cccccc; text-decoration: none;\" rel=\"noopener\">New Music USA<\/a> \u00b7 <a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/new-music-usa\/soundlives-matthew-aucoin-risking-generosity\" title=\"SoundLives -- Matthew Aucoin: Risking Generosity\" target=\"_blank\" style=\"color: #cccccc; text-decoration: none;\" rel=\"noopener\">SoundLives &#8212; Matthew Aucoin: Risking Generosity<br \/>\nFrank J. Oteri in conversation with Matthew Aucoin<br \/>\nMonday, November 29, 2021\u20146:00 p.m.<br \/>\nVia a Zoom Conference Call<br \/>\nAdditional voiceovers by Brigid Pierce; audio editing by Anthony Nieves<\/a><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Although the Metropolitan Opera House gave the first American performances of then new works by Puccini, Mascagni, Leoncavallo, and other works that are still in their repertoire, an opera by a living composer has been a rarity at the Met for decades. Yet this year, the Met opened its season (after being closed for over a year due to the pandemic) with Terence Blanchard&#8217;s <em>Fire Shut Up in My Bones. <\/em>And currently on stage at the Met is a second recent opera, <em>Eurydice<\/em> by Matthew Aucoin, who additionally just had his first book published, <em>The Impossible Art<\/em>, as well as the first commercially released recording of his music, the two CD set <em>Orphic Moments<\/em> on BMOP\/Sound.<\/p>\n<p>Despite this extraordinary amount of activity these past few weeks, the 31-year-old composer-pianist-conductor took some time out of his overextended schedule to have a wide-ranging conversation with me about opera, myth, climate change, poetry, and many other topics. Among the recurring themes during the course of our talk was generosity and risk-taking, something that is in abundance in Matthew&#8217;s own music as well as his personality.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I do think that I tend to risk generosity, even messiness, in my music,&#8221; he admitted. &#8220;It&#8217;s scary. And I don&#8217;t always succeed. But I would rather err in this direction.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Yet despite a child prodigy and now leading a life completely immersed in music making, when he was an undergrad at Harvard, he considered permanently abandoning music and pursuing poetry instead.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I got really hung up on this idea that music was too good for us and we were better off communicating to each other in language, which really felt to me like the human medium,&#8221; he remembered. &#8220;So I felt for the first time in my life a little bit distant from music. Then around the time I graduated college, it all rushed back. I really felt like I had to do this, and I felt that for a few reasons. One was that I sensed that if I didn&#8217;t dive in and commit myself to music, the musical muscle was at risk of atrophying, because it does take constant practice and upkeep. Whereas, somehow words, maybe it&#8217;s because we all use words every day anyway, I had this instinct that maybe that muscle would not atrophy. And it would be okay to leave it be for a few years, and come back to it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>But of course, words remain extremely crucial to Matthew Aucoin&#8217;s creative endeavors, whether he&#8217;s setting poetry by Dante or Walt Whitman, writing about his own music or the work of other composers, or using words with music to tell a story in operas for which he has often written his own librettos. The other crucial thing for him is community, which is partially why he so deeply loves opera which is something that can&#8217;t exist without a community. It is also a key reason for his co-founding of the American Modern Opera Company (AMOC).<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s an attempt to build a better and more agile model for an artist-centric company or collective,&#8221; he explained. &#8220;There&#8217;s no such thing as art that&#8217;s for everybody all the time. We&#8217;re all dealing with communities. I think that&#8217;s going to become clearer and clearer over the course of the 21st century. A big part of what AMOC is doing is we&#8217;re trying to build our own community, which is open. Everybody&#8217;s welcome. You can all join. But we&#8217;re not trying to pretend that it&#8217;s literally for everyone. I think that is going to become clearer as the way that we experience art continues to be ironically both more mediated and more kind of listener driven. And I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s entirely a bad thing. If you think of it as the building of communities, it can actually make for a better experience.&#8221;<\/p>\n<div class=\"owl-carousel owl-theme\">\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>There comes this moment when you either engaged with what the trio in Vienna were up to, or you didn't. And it's curious to me that mainstream opera in America just didn't. It almost seems like a conscious decision.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>I think history is more recursive than it is linear.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>Nobody asks the members of the Rolling Stones to play Slavic folk music. They play Rolling Stones songs. But if you play in one of these orchestras, never mind choruses sing in all these languages, you might be playing Handel one day, and Jan\u00e1\u010dek the next, and Philip Glass the next. I do sometimes think that there are virtues in specialization<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>We would never talk about the one audience for the Met Museum. We recognize that because there is this vast array of different kinds of art, that people gravitate towards different things.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>If you write an instrumental piece, even a substantial one, you're still prey to juxtapositions of programming that you might not like.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>Music is better than us in a certain way.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>I tend to risk generosity, even messiness, in my music. It's scary. And I don't always succeed. But I would rather err in this direction.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>Music was my first love... It was the thing that taught me life was worth living before I knew how to ask the question.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>Music opens us up for communication, even if it can't solve the problems directly... It speaks to people directly in a way that they don't have words for. And strangely, that can actually open up a space for dialogue.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>We all need to realize that no matter what we do, whether it's Kanye West or Chaya Czernowin, we're all dealing with a niche audience.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>Everybody's welcome. You can all join. But we're not trying to pretend that it's literally for everyone. I think that is going to become clearer as the way that we experience art continues to be ironically both more mediated and more kind of listener driven.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"pullquotes-wrapper pullquote-slide item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"pullquote-text\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>The need for in-person connection is not going away. We may have to take occasional pauses, when things are bad in a particular place, but we're not gonna stop trying.<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"attribution-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/newmusicusa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/Matthew-Aucoin-Square-200x200.jpg\" alt=\"Matthew Aucoin\" class=\"attribution-headshot\" \/><h5 class=\"attribution-text\">Matthew Aucoin<\/h5>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><\/div><script>\n\t\t\t\t\t\tjQuery(document).ready(function(){\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tjQuery(\".owl-carousel\").owlCarousel({\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\titems:1,\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tmargin:10,\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tautoHeight:true\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t});\n\t\t\t\t\t\t});\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/script>\n<p><em>Special Thanks to:<br \/>\nColin Manjoney and Amanda Ameer at First Chair Promotion;<br \/>\nApril Thibeault at AMT Public Relations;<br \/>\nMichael San Gabino at the Metropolitan Opera; and<br \/>\nAndrew Stein-Zeller at G. 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